REPOSTED FROM PARALLEL THREAD ( http://tovarna.org/node/3381)
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hands off our Ultima!
Submitted by eva on Fri, 13/05/2011 - 03:15.

Ultima is the only place that really keeps Rog alive. They are true artists that care about people, not their ego. Don't try to take our good times from us, just cause you're jealous about Ultima's success. Better come join the party, and your anger will go away. There is no happier place than Ultima in Ljubljana, that's why so many people go there. And it's good for Ljubljana that lots of foreign students like it,too.

Koncertna Dvorana's owners always talks bad things about Ultima,too, cause they're jealous and want Ultima closed.
And safety and sanitation is the same everywhere in Rog. Do you want to close whole Rog down, too? Or maybe only keep your place? Are you now going to have inspection of all places? Or just picked on Ultima?

Or maybe you do not care about what people think? Maybe someone will want to inspect you,too?

REPOST FROM PARALLEL NEWLY STARTED BLOG OF 'ULTIMA' SUPPORTERS(http://tovarna.org/node/3400)
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SPRING THE LOCK TO ULTIMA!
Submitted by gitana angela on Sat, 14/05/2011 - 03:58.

BEWARE THE 19TH CENTURY FACTORY PRESMISES ROG!
STRANGE SPIRITS BEHOLD THIS WONDER. SNARLING TERRIGYING FACES APPEAR.
DISRESPECTFUL GROTESQUE STICKY TONGUES UNCOIL;DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THEIR DARKEN LANGUAGE.
HOLD MY HAND WHILE WE TIP TOE BY THE BLACK SHADOWS WITH EMPTY CUPS.
ARE YOU THIRSTY FOR WINE?
STOP THROWING YOURSELVES ON THE GROUND, KICKING AND SCREAMING!
WE WILL FILL YOUR EMPTY CUP!
DRINK!
WE MEAN NO WRONG...
LET'S ALL CLINK GLASSES.
DO YOU NOT LIKE OUR GIFT OF MUSIC, DANCING AND PLAYING?
IS IT MORE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE?
WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO RUIN THE UPPER PLATFORM OF OUR CASTLE?
WHAT AN EVIL BATTLE!
EVIL ANARCHY!
ORGY OF DESTRUCTION!
THE WICKED CANNOT RULE OUR LAND FOR THERE SACRIFICES!
FORGET ABOUT STUPIDITY!
WE HAVE LOVERS TO TEASE.PEOPLE TO MAKE HAPPY!
ALL TOGETHER...NOW OR NEVER!

Had the majestic pleasure to reunite with my friend and partner dj dimon spring 2011

international ULTIMA guest dj gitana angela (USA)

BEWARE THE 19TH CENTURY FACTORY BUILDING ROG! STRANGE SPIRITS BEHOLD THIS WONDER. SNARLING TERRIFYING FACES APPEAR. DISRESPECFUL GROTESQUE STICKY TONGUES UNCOIL; DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THEIR DARKEN LANGUAGE. HOLD MY HAND WHILE WE TIP TOE BY THE BLACK SHADOWS WITH EMPTY CUPS. ARE YOU THIRSTY FOR WINE? STOP THROWING YOURSELVES ON THE GROUND, KICKING AND SCREAMING. WE WILL FILL YOUR EMPTY CUP! DRINK! WE MEAN NO WRONG...LET'S ALL CLINK GLASSES. DO YOU NOT LIKE OUR GIFT OF MUSIC, DANCING, AND PLAYING? IS IT MORE THATN YU COULD HANDLE? WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO RUIN THE UPPER PLATFORM OF OUR CASTLE? WHAT AN EVIL BATTLE! EVIL ANARCHY! ORGY OF DESTRUCTION! THE WICKED CANNOT RULE OUR LAND FOR THERE SACRIFICES! FORGET ABOUT STUPIDITY! WE HAVE LOVERS TO TEASE. PEOPLE TO MAKE HAPPY. ALL TOGETHER...NOW OR NEVER. HAD THE MAJESTIC PLEASURE TO REUNITE WITH MY FRIEND AND PARTNER DJ DIMON SPRING/SUMMER 2011. INTERNATIONAL ULTIMA GUEST DJ GITANA ANGELA FROM USA!

If you'll close Ultima, you'll close Rog! And then you can have the whole place to yourself, you lazy asses. Ultima is the only place in Rog that's open every week. You should take them as inspiration and try to attract more people to your places. People will start talking and Tovarna Rog will get a bad reputation, believe me Ultima has fans all over the world. Yup world, not Slovenia. All the accusations about it's shape are hard to believe, it looks like you made them up in a week. All of a sudden the place is too dangerous to be open just for a few months more. Don't be so jealous folks.

PURA VIDA ULTIMA!

I personally have a really hard time believing all the accusations made by some of Rog's temporary users. The atmosphere in Ultima is far from bad, people are friendly and nonviolent and I have never witnessed the "bad foreign crowd" causing any problems. We like Ultima. The music's great and the vibe is beyond awesome. Ultima is the only alternative culture "club" (it is quite difficult to label Ultima as a club, because it is just so much more than a place to go dancing or drinking) in Ljubljana that offers a sort of a warm shelter during the winter months or if the nights are cool. You can't get that anywhere else, because not a lot of clubs or bars are open late at night during the week and if they are, the music or the crowd usually doesn't really suit the average Ultima visitor. Oh, and regarding the safety measures: the ventilation in Ultima is much much better than at, say, Metelkova. And if everything is in such a bad condition, how come people feel so good in Ultima? Just my opinion, but if Ultima closes, the Rog complex as we all know and love will be torn down or severely changed. And that sucks for everyone.

Wow! Trying to close Ultima and all the accusations I have been hearing about lately really shock me because this goes against everything "alternative culture" center is suppose to represent. Instead of stepping together and trying to prove to MOL that Rog is worth keeping, you guys are fighting each other (how are going to fight others?).. Besides, it's all a bit funny because Ultima is within the framework of Rog AND it's the only active thing there and consequently, the only thing having guests. So I sense jealousy, which is probably the real reason behind all the accusations. The Rog concert hall is rarely open and it's too passive, which is a shame. Personally, I'd love to see more concerts at Rog (hinthint), but since the whole complex seems abandoned, it's like saying to MOL "sure, tear it down, nobody's here anyway"... I mean, it's great for you squatters to have a place to be, but there's nothing left for us that don't live there. Haha, I just imagined you guys as a bunch of hillbillies yelling "Get outta our property!"..sorry, just kidding :)
Anyway people, don't fight, unite and think of the bigger picture!

Peace and Unity ;)

Well i've been a regular visitor in Ultima for quite some time now, it is a great place to hang out, great events and always crowded with many people who want to party. In winter it is our winter quarters and in summer is a perfect place to go when you want more action. Alot of foreign people come and visit it, everyone you know you take them to Ultima because you know they will like it and remeber Ljubljana after a cool party place. The owner is always kind to his visitors and he never lets the crowd down.
From what i see, there is no real reason for closing it, unless the purpose of all this is to shut down one of the best places to hang out. But it still makes no sense. Where else could the partying be if not in Ultima? So if this wants to make sense i say close the topic, stop this nonsense and keep the party going! ;)

Please don't close Ultima, It's probably one of the best clubs
in Ljubljana as it always had a great party and was the most
multicultural club in any squat in Slovenia, if you close it
down, Ljubljana will lose one of it's most prized possesions...

only they forgot to mention in their summary of 09.05.2011 meeting those multiple personal threats, cursing and attempts of physical violence against Dimon ,from some squatters, that took place at this 09.05.2011 meeting, which was witnessed by about 20 people and even videotaped on mobile phone. and noone seemed to stop the attackers much, ignoring Dimon's multiple requests to provide his personal safety?

if any physical aggression/injuries/acts of violence/life threats will happen to Dimon in near future, then someone who keeps the tapes is instructed to send copies of those videos straight to American Embassy and the police.
we're peaceful artists but we know how to protect our personal safety in intelligent ways.

as for your sudden 'safety concerns', let me ask you: WEREN'T YOU AROUND ROG FOR 3 YEARS OF ULTIMA? YOU WERE. DID YOU JUST NOT CARE ABOUT SAFETY OF PEOPLE IN ULTIMA BEFORE? AND NOW ALL OF THE SUDDEN YOU DO? WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY TO NAIL "ULTiMA" CLOSED BEFORE? ULTIMA ALWAYS HAD INTENSE HAPPY EVENTS WITH A LOT OF GUESTS. AND NOW, IN MAY 2011, YOUR HEART JUST SUDDENLY WOKE UP EXPLODING OUT OF PITY 'POOR PEOPLE IN SUCH DANGEROUS PLACE"? Or maybe it's not THAT dangerous, AFTER ALL, and you a bit exaggerating? Perhaps some small fixes will do, not the global 2-year-long building super-reconstruction you trying to suggest us performing on it, keeping the place closed?

I've been going to Ultima for over a year now and I've never felt safer in any other places. I dont care if the floor's not sparkly clean, i dont care if the sofas arent all fancy, i dont even care if the inside looks trashy (as some people may put it), because to me it's an amazing piece of art and a place for party. What makes it better, people are able to relax inside and make up a really good atmosphere, which matters the most. Not only Slovenians, but also PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD love that place. Nobody wants to go anywhere else but Ultima, so you shouldn't close it, in fact I think you should consider expanding it! It's like a second home to a lot of us. People who have visited Ultima at least once haven't stated any complaints about the place, so why close it down? Tourists, exchange students and everyone else are gladly attending Ultima events because it's the one place that connects people no matter how different we are. Ultima is an amazing place, where people make great memories and meet lots of great friends. It's a unique place, there's really no comparison. Don't take it away from us.

once upon a time
right in the heart of the wild ocean
there was a sinking ship with a horn
rats were the only creatures that stayed on it
not knowing how to fly
not able to swim far..
a few birds were flying over..
last hours of the ship.. - they thought -
last big party for the ship,perhaps?
so ship goes down with a song,
and maybe rats would get some wings?
and so birds did.
fiesta ship has never known before..
the minutes happiest of the ship those were..
but rats..the envy ate them, seeing birds
"birds got the wings..the birds can sing.."
"hey, birds! you fly away!"
"there's many of us, and you're - a few"
and showed their rotten teeth

birds flew away to other lands
bird's songs are loved on any land..
the ship went down
rats rotting on the ocean bottom..

those born to crawl
can never fly..

-dimon, 09.05
For Victory Day Of Russia

this discussion seems that there are some problems which are being solved in an undemocratic way.nailing a place's door before an announced event is not a democratic way of discussion. for any situation nailing a door seems like violence. i've never been at ultima. but there will be a mail art project at ultima and i sent my work for it. my friends is in ljublija nowadays who organizes this project. as he told me, ultima is like his and lots of people's second home, including erasmus students and has a safety atmosphere. i am planning to come to ljubljuna for forthcoming days and i want to see ultima is open.

I think Ultima has a GREAT vibe, it's always full and it's actually one of the best places where you can party in Ljubljana. And besides, what is the point of sabotaging? You're just making problems for big nothing. I really don't understand why ultima should close down or sth, the music is not heard outside and people are not making that much noise that it would be such a huge problem.

It was a really surprise for me to see Ultime is closed last night. I think everyone who likes to enjoy at this place was surprised too. I’m organizing an international mail art project for Ultima. I choose Ultima as a exhibition place for this project because of its multi-cultural identity. It is a place which gathers people all around the world and I have been there for 2,5 months, almost every event, and I did not face with any violence or bad acts between people. Because of my project, I sent lots of call text and artists and activists responded me a very kindly way. All of them said that they wanted to see Ultima and share the atmosphere with us. In my opinion, Ultima, with its multi-cultural crew and people, makes Rog a real multi-cultural place. Yes, there are a few handicaps at Ultima. It’s not a shiny place like other clubs, but people who come there also do not want to see these shiny places. Nowadays I’m preparing a comprehensive article about squats in Ljubljana for an international art magazine, S.E.T (Surrealist Action Turkey). In this article I mentioned Ultima as a place where everyone can enjoy and meet without any alienation and violence. I made interviews Erasmus students and travelling artists. All of them said that they like and support Ultima. Insufficiencies can be removed in time. When I saw the door nailed last night, I thought that it was a bad joke or a act of gang. I’m sure about that there are democratic ways of living and being together in a squat place like all over the world. I hope Rog community to not close themselves other people and minds; I hope that Rog can be a place which is open for any kind of democratic meetings, parties, events, exhibitions and projects.

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No names have been given and also no explanation on who's behalf has this been done...
Usually no one has a right to stop an announced event. We were advised to immediately call police, as its illegal to stop an event without a warrant. But Rog agreement should be to discuss things before action...
Whoever decides things that way, should know better...